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Mark 8:1-13
 1: In those days, when again a great crowd had gathered, and they had nothing to eat, he called his disciples to him, and said to them, 2: "I have compassion on the crowd, because they have been with me now three days, and have nothing to eat; 3: and if I send them away hungry to their homes, they will faint on the way; and some of them have come a long way." 4: And his disciples answered him, "How can one feed these men with bread here in the desert?" 5: And he asked them, "How many loaves have you?" They said, "Seven." 6: And he commanded the crowd to sit down on the ground; and he took the seven loaves, and having given thanks he broke them and gave them to his disciples to set before the people; and they set them before the
crowd. 7: And they had a few small fish; and having blessed them, he commanded that these also should be set before them. 8: And they ate, and were satisfied; and they took up the broken pieces left over, seven baskets full. 9: And there were about four thousand people. 10: And he sent them away; and immediately he got into the boat with his disciples, and went to the district of Dalmanu'tha. 11: The Pharisees came and began to argue with him, seeking from him a sign from heaven, to test him. 12: And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and said, "Why does this generation seek a sign? Truly, I say to you, no sign shall be given to this generation." 13: And he left them, and getting into the boat again he departed to the other side.


NOTES
8: And they ate, and were satisfied; and they took up the broken pieces left over, seven baskets full.

v8: Jan Sammer suggested on the XTALK list in March of 2003 that no one was fed in this miracle; the broken pieces were collected represented all the bread created, and that the crowd was fed on the true doctrine of Jesus, as opposed to the false doctrine of the Pharisees (next pericope).
10: And he sent them away; and immediately he got into the boat with his disciples, and went to the district of Dalmanu'tha.

v10: Dalmanutha. No such district is mentioned in any ancient source, including the OT. Exegetes have proposed numerous solutions to this problem. The problem is complicated by the fact that some manuscripts read "mountains" instead of "region." This appears to be either an invention or misunderstanding of the author of Mark, and thus, another indicator of unhistoricity. Exegetes are not even certain on which side of the Sea of Galilee the location lies.

11: The Pharisees came and began to argue with him, seeking from him a sign from heaven, to test him.

v11-13: There seems to be a clear contradiction between the miracles earlier in Mark, the Resurrection, and the statement in v12.
12: And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and said, "Why does this generation seek a sign? Truly, I say to you, no sign shall be given to this generation."

v12: The reconstructed Greek is actually nonsensical. It reads "if a sign will be given to this generation" and is probably part of an oath formula (Donahue and Harrington 2002, p248).

v12: Note that Paul says in 1 Corinthians 1:22-23:


22  Since also Jews ask a sign, and Greeks seek wisdom, 23  also we -- we preach Christ crucified, to Jews, indeed, a stumbling-block, and to Greeks foolishness, (NIV)

v12: Draper (1993) argues that the "sign" is not a miracle, but a banner, totem, or token of the Davidic messiah, associated in various ancient Jewish texts and the Old Testament with a holy war.


"This study suggests that in an earlier stage of the tradition the 'sign from heaven' which Jesus consistently refused to give, despite repeated requests, was indeed the raising of the Messianic totem to signal the beginning of a holy war against the Romans."(p21)

Historical Commentary

Two chiastic structures make up this pericope. The structure of the first one is tricky but appears to be Markan, now that I have unravelled it. However, the opening A bracket is wordy and very unMarkan. In most of the pericopes where there is a serious action, the writer opens and closes with concrete location changes. Here the redactor substituted Jesus explaining a miracle to his disciples before he actually did it, quite unusual in Mark. For example, in Mark 5 he raises the dead girl but does not explain to his disciples that he will attempt such an act. Additionally, the location is not specified, and the phrase "in those days" is used, which seems to put some distance between the writer and the time of the action, something that the writer of Mark does not normally do either. In short, while the rest of the structure is Markan, the A bracket has been extensively tampered with.

The second structure seems quite normal for Mark, a typical ABBA chiasm with a saying in the center.



A
In those days, when again a great crowd had gathered, and they had nothing to eat, he called his disciples to him, and said to them, "I have compassion on the crowd, because they have been with me now three days, and have nothing to eat; and if I send them away hungry to their homes, they will faint on the way; and some of them have come a long way."

B
And his disciples answered him, "How can one feed these men with bread here in the desert?"


C
And he asked them, "How many loaves have you?"



D
They said, "Seven."




E
A
And he commanded the crowd to sit down on the ground; and he took the seven loaves, and having given thanks he broke them and gave them to his disciples to set before the people;





B
and they set them before the crowd.




E
A
And they had a few small fish; and having blessed them, he commanded that these also should be set before them.





B
And they ate, and were satisfied;



D
and they took up the broken pieces left over, seven baskets full.


C
And there were about four thousand people.

B
And he sent them away;
A  and immediately he got into the boat with his disciples, and went to the district of Dalmanu'tha.


A
And he sent them away; and immediately he got into the boat with his disciples, and went to the district of Dalmanu'tha.

B
The Pharisees came and began to argue with him, seeking from him a sign from heaven, to test him.

B
And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and said, "Why does this generation seek a sign? Truly, I say to you, no sign shall be given to this generation."
A
And he left them, and getting into the boat again he departed to the other side.

Also taken from the Elijah-Elisha Cycle (see discussion on 6:35-44), and unhistorical. Some exegetes see 8:12 as evidence of later interpolation as it appears to contradict the miracle tradition in the Gospel, although its source seems to be Paul, and thus, in accord with the normal practices of the writer of Mark. There is no support for historicity anywhere in this pericope.


Mark 8:14-21
14: Now they had forgotten to bring bread; and they had only one loaf with them in the boat. 15: And he cautioned them, saying, "Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod." 16: And they discussed it with one another, saying, "We have no bread." 17: And being aware of it, Jesus said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened?  18: Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember? 19: When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?" They said to him, "Twelve." 20: "And the seven for the four thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?" And they said to him, "Seven." 21: And he said to them, "Do you not yet understand?" 


NOTES
15: And he cautioned them, saying, "Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod."

v15: a reference to spies of Herod and the Pharisees? The "Herodians" are mentioned in Mark 3:6Mark 8:15, and Mark 12:13. Mark 3 and 12 appear to be parallel sets of 1 parable and 5 conflict stories, while Mark 8 is the center of the Gospel of Mark.

v15: Camery-Hoggat (1992, p153) points out that in the OT (Exodus 12:18, for example), food laws specify that ritually prepared food may not contain leaven.

v15: note the ongoing importance of the "bread" motif here.

v15: Paul warns in 1 Cor 5:8


Let us, therefore, celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.(RSV)

16: And they discussed it with one another, saying, "We have no bread."

v16-17: the disciples are so clueless that they have seen this miracle twice, but still do not understand.
17: And being aware of it, Jesus said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened? 18: Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?

v17-18: Beavis (1989, p111-115) discusses the similarities between this and the equally enigmatic verses of Mark 4:11-12, including the allusion here to the same passage, Isa 6:10.

v17-18: Myers (1988, p225), argues that the sequence of heart, eyes, and ears points to Deuteronomy 29:2-4:


2 Moses summoned all the Israelites and said to them: Your eyes have seen all that the LORD did in Egypt to Pharaoh, to all his officials and to all his land. 3 With your own eyes you saw those great trials, those miraculous signs and great wonders. 4 But to this day the LORD has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear.

The thematic link should also be evident. Just as Moses is exasperated that the Hebrews do not believe in YHWH even though he brought them out of Egypt by his miraculous power, so Jesus is exasperated at the disciples for their unbelief desipte the constant presence of miracles and other evidences of Jesus' status.

v17-18: perhaps a reference to 1 Cor 2:9 (which cites Isaiah 64:4):


1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written, "Things which an eye didn't see, and an ear didn't hear, which didn't enter into the heart of man, these God has prepared for those who love him."

However, the context does not fit very well.

18: Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?

v18: A cite of Jer 5:21:


Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear (NIV)

19: When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?" They said to him, "Twelve."

v19-21: the sequence of numbers here, 5, 12, and 7, offers much scope for speculative interpretation. For example, 5 might stand for the five books of Moses, while 12 might be related to the disciples or perhaps the tribes of Israel, and 7 could be a reference to the gentiles, or perhaps the 7 deacons mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament, or the 7 Churches in Asia. Another possibility is the seven great angels who appear in both the Book of Tobit and 1 Enoch.

Historical Commentary

Malbon (1993) points out that this passage actually forms a tryptich of three events that take place on the sea, the Stilling of the Storm, a Water Walk, and a Conversation.

A chiasm can be constructed, but it makes no sense at all, merely an artistic arrangement of the sentences. The less said about it, the better. The writer of Mark never had a hand in this one.


A
And he left them, and getting into the boat again he departed to the other side.

B
Now they had forgotten to bring bread; and they had only one loaf with them in the boat.


C
And he cautioned them, saying, "Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod."



D
And they discussed it with one another, saying, "We have no bread."




E
And being aware of it, Jesus said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened? Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember? When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?"




E
They said to him, "Twelve."



D
"And the seven for the four thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?"


C
And they said to him, "Seven."

B
And he said to them, "Do you not yet understand?"
A
And they came to Beth-sa'ida. And some people brought to him a blind man, and begged him to touch him.

The pericope is invention based on fictional events in Mark 6 and previously in this chapter. It is entirely unhistorical, being derived from previous supernatural events.  There is wide disagreement on how to interpret this parable, which Donahue and Harrington (2002, p253-54) describe as "enigmatic." For historical purposes, nothing in this pericope supports historicity.


Mark 8:22-26
22: And they came to Beth-sa'ida. And some people brought to him a blind man, and begged him to touch him. 23: And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the village; and when he had spit on his eyes and laid his hands upon him, he asked him, "Do you see
anything?" 24: And he looked up and said, "I see men; but they look like trees, walking." 25: Then again he laid his hands upon his eyes; and he looked intently and was restored, and saw everything clearly. 26: And he sent him away to his home, saying, "Do not even enter the village."


NOTES
22: And they came to Beth-sa'ida. And some people brought to him a blind man, and begged him to touch him.

v22: Meier (1994, p694) argues that this story must have a historical core due to, among other things, the fact that the motif of faith is missing from the story. However, the statement "and begged him to touch him"  would seem to contradict that claim.
23: And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the village; and when he had spit on his eyes and laid his hands upon him, he asked him, "Do you see anything?"

v23: spittle was defiling in Judaism. See Lev 15:8 and Num 12:14. As Kee points out (1989): "...blind persons were not permitted to approach the house of Yahweh (Lev 21:18, 2 Sam 5:8). Yet the prophets had announced that in the day of redemption, the blind would come into the renewed land..."(p137).

v23: There is no other parallel in this gospel to Jesus asking the recipient of his power whether it has been effective.

v23: another of the geographical strangenesses in Mark, as Bethsaida was upgraded to a polis (city) by Herod the Great, long before Jesus' time.

v23: the Book of Tobit also talks about a magic cure for blindness:


10: Tobit started toward the door, and stumbled. But his son ran to him
11: and took hold of his father, and he sprinkled the gall upon his father's eyes, saying, "Be of good cheer, father."
12: And when his eyes began to smart he rubbed them,
13: and the white films scaled off from the corners of his eyes.
14: Then he saw his son and embraced him, and he wept and said, "Blessed art thou, O God, and blessed is thy name for ever, and blessed are all thy holy angels.(RSV)

26: And he sent him away to his home, saying, "Do not even enter the village."

v26: manuscripts differ on the final sentence, though the basic idea remains the same.

Historical Commentary

This account shares many similarities with the healing of the blind man in Mark 7:31-7. Not only is spitting and touching common to both, the opening and closing are similar. Both make a common reference to Isaiah 35:5-6 (Donahue and Harrington 2002, p258). The vocabulary is also similar (Meier 1994, p691). The overall context of healing and reversal of (ill) fortune is associated with the kingdom of justice in many ancient Near Eastern traditions (Thompson, 2005).

A number of apologetic magazines have claimed that this is a proven miracle, based on v24, which they argue reflects a real experience of recovered sight. One version of this can be found in "Modern sciences helps us understand a puzzling miracle" (Russell Grigg, Creation 21(4):54-55). Unfortunately this is a classic example of mistaking detail for evidence of historicity. Case studies of agnosics show that there is no way that newly-recovered sight could express itself as men looking like trees walking, unless one wants to postulate a second miracle, in which the man's visual processing system was also completely updated (that would invalidate the argument that the 'men like trees walking' is a naturalistic sign of historicity). The pericope does not in fact state that the blind man was blind from birth, and Donahue and Harrington (2002, p256) point out that the fact that he could tell the difference between humans and trees indicates that he was not. The ancients could heal certain types of blindness, and treat glaucomas by surgery, and were familiar with the idea of recovered sight. The presence of this detail is a signal that, contrary to the thinking of many, a high level of detail does not indicate historicity. 

The story has been redacted and may even be an addition to the gospel text; there is a high concentration of unique vocabulary in the central three verses (Meier, p741-2). Taylor (1996, p368-9) and Beavis (1989, p123) are among many who have argued that this is a doublet of the earlier healing of the deaf-mute in 7:31-37. Not only is the Greek of the two stories similar, but both stories take place in great privacy, spittle is used, hands are laid on, the cure takes place in stages, and the healed person is told to keep it a secret. Additionally, this closely parallels the next pericope as well. Beavis (1989) lays out the structural similarities between this pericope and the next one:


Structure
(after Beavis 1989, p121)
Mark 8:22-26
Mark 8:27-30
Setting 22: And they came to Beth-sa'ida. And some people brought to him a blind man, and begged him to touch him. 27: And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi;
First Attempt 23: And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the village; and when he had spit on his eyes and laid his hands upon him, he asked him, "Do you see anything?" and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?"
First Response 24: And he looked up and said, "I see men; but they look like trees, walking." 28: And they told him, "John the Baptist; and others say, Eli'jah; and others one of the prophets."
Second Attempt 25: Then again he laid his hands upon his eyes; 29: And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Second Response ....and he looked intently and was restored, and saw everything clearly.
Peter answered him, "You are the Christ."
Command 26: And he sent him away to his home, saying, "Do not even enter the village." 30: And he charged them to tell no one about him.

I have constructed a tenative chiasm for this pericope. The center is arguably Markan.


A
And they came to Beth-sa'ida. And some people brought to him a blind man, and begged him to touch him.

B
And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the village;


C
A
and when he had spit on his eyes and laid his hands upon him, he asked him, "Do you see anything?"



B
And he looked up and said, "I see men; but they look like trees, walking."


C
A
Then again he laid his hands upon his eyes;



B
and he looked intently and was restored, and saw everything clearly.

B
And he sent him away to his home, saying, "Do not even enter the village."
A
And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi; and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?"

This pericope contains signs of Markan redaction ("Do not even enter the village"), magical procedures common in Mediterranean magical systems (Aune, cited in Crossan 1991, p325, see also Morton Smith). Structurally the healing of the blind man serves to set off the next pericope, in which the disciples' "blind" eyes are opened to the real identity of Jesus as the Messiah. An interesting note is that Jesus is never mentioned in this passage.

Denis Nineham (1963) identified a parallel in an inscription to the Greek healing god Asclepios at Epidaurus, which says that after a certain Alcetas of Halice was cured of blindness, the first thing he saw were trees. There is no way to demonstrate that the writer of Mark was aware of this inscription.

The Bethsaida section (see notes to Mark 6:45) ends here. See the Excursus on Mark without Bethsaida for further information. Paul Achtemeier's proposed set of 5 parallel miracle stories also terminates here. A number of exegetes have noted the constructed nature of this passages. Not only are there five parallel miracles, but one set occurs on Jewish soil and the other on Gentile. F. F. Bruce (1943) observes:


"These two feedings belong respectively to two parallel series of similar incidents, one series being enacted on Jewish soil, the other on Gentile soil to the north and east of Galilee. The incidents are selected in order to show how Jesus repeated on this occasion among the Gentiles acts which He performed among the Jews."

Due to the presence of the supernatural, literary structures on several levels, and conventional magical formulae, nothing in this pericope supports historicity.


Mark 8:27-33
27: And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi; and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?" 28: And they told him, "John the Baptist; and others say, Eli'jah; and others one of the prophets." 29: And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered him, "You are the Christ." 30: And he charged them to tell no one about him.  31: And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32: And he said this plainly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33: But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter, and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not on the side of God, but of men." 


NOTES
27: And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi; and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?"

v27-30: Robert Price (2000, p109) has argued that Mark has set the discussion of 8:27-30 here in Caesarea Philippi in order to "blast what he deemed inadequate local Christologies of the region."

v27: the verse speaks of the "villages" of Caesarea Philippi, but Caesarea Philippi is a single city. 

29: And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered him, "You are the Christ."

v29: this is the first time in the gospel a human being recognizes Jesus as the Christ.
30: And he charged them to tell no one about him.

v30: this is the only place in the whole Gospel where the title "Messiah" is joined to an injunction to silence.

31: And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.


v31: "After three days..." Koester (1990, p280) points out that, strictly speaking, this contradicts the writer's own dating, which has Jesus rising not after three days, but on the morning of the third day.

v31: Koester (2004) points out that Jesus switches titles at this point: it is not the Messiah who will die, but the Son of Man.

32: And he said this plainly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33: But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter, and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not on the side of God, but of men." 

v33: Myers (1988, p244) calls attention to the dialectical nature of the exchange between Peter and Jesus:


    Peter: Jesus is Messiah
    Jesus silences Peter
    Jesus is the Son of Man and must suffer
    Peter silences Jesus
    Jesus silences Peter
    Jesus: Peter is Satan.

Note how this comes back to Mark 4:14-5 and the typologies of the Parable of the Sower.


14: The sower sows the word. 15: And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown; when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word which is sown in them.


v33: Koester (2004) argues that Peter is depicted as rejecting Jesus' statement that he will suffer and die not because he has strong feelings for Jesus, but because he knows that the Messiah isn't supposed to suffer and die.

v33:  In some of the rabbinical writings (Gen. Rabbah 56), Satan rebukes Abraham in an attempt to convince him not to execute Isaac.

Historical Commentary
According to most exegetes, structurally, the Gospel makes a transition to a new part with this pericope. Hence, in most exegetical schemes, this is one of most important pericopes in the Gospel.

Davies and Johnson (1996) write:


"Verses 30, 31, 32 are textbook cases of Markan redaction, and probably verses 27, 28, 33 are as well. In fact the whole of Mark 8:27-33 probably should be regarded as a Markan construction influenced conceivably by a tradition of a Petrine confession (cf. John 6:69)." 

By the embarrassment criterion one can see that Jesus' insult to Peter should be historical. But Davies and Johnson (1996) point out:


"In essence Mark 8:27-33 is a seeming confession that might lead toward the idea of Petrine primacy (cf. Matthew's and Luke's redaction of it) but no -- in fact we hear that it led to Jesus' condemnation of Peter as Satan. That is parody. Norman Petersen (1994) has argued that in other principal ways Mark's gospel is written as a parody of pre-existing textual traditions."

and also:


"In light of Mark 3:22-29, where it is the unforgivable sin to call someone Satan who has received the Spirit, when Jesus calls Peter Satan he thereby unequivocally denies the possibility that Peter has the Spirit of God."

Mary Tolbert's (1989) analysis of the Parable of Sower explains why Jesus condemns Peter as Satan. Returning to Mark 4:1-20, where Satan is mentioned for the only other time in the Gospel of Mark:


15: And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown; when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word which is sown in them.

By opposing the plan of God, Peter has made himself as one who becomes the victim of Satan's attempt to take away the word that has just been sown in them.

Paul Danove (2003) discusses how the Greek here reveals the way in which the writer of Mark has constructed this passage:


"The former context presents Jesus' question to the disciples, "But, who do you say that I am"? (8,29a) and Peter's response, "You are the Christ" (8,29b). Jesus' rebuke (e)pitima/w) of Peter and the other disciples and order that they not speak to anyone about him (8,30) negatively evaluates the disciples and, especially, Peter by directly aligning them with unclean spirits (1,25; 3,12; cf. 9,25) and the wind (4,39) which previously were rebuked."(p33)

Looking at the Gospel as a whole, 8:27-33 parallels the trial before the Sanhedrin in important ways.


Structure
(after Beavis 1989, p117)
Mark 8:27-33 Sanhedrin Trial
Mark 14:53-65
Setting 27: And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi; 53: And they led Jesus to the high priest; and all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes were assembled.
First Question & Conflicting Reports
and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?"

28: And they told him, "John the Baptist; and others say, Eli'jah; and others one of the prophets."
55: Now the chief priests and the whole council sought testimony against Jesus to put him to death; but they found none. 56: For many bore false witness against him, and their witness did not agree. 57: And some stood up and bore false witness against him, saying, 58: "We heard him say, `I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.'" 59: Yet not even so did their testimony agree. 60: And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, "Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?" 61: But he was silent and made no answer.
Second Question & Confession
29: And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered him, "You are the Christ." 30: And he charged them to tell no one about him. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" 62: And Jesus said, "I am;
Son of Man Saying
31: And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32: And he said this plainly.  and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
Condemnation And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33: But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter, and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not on the side of God, but of men."
63: And the high priest tore his garments, and said, "Why do we still need witnesses? 64: You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?" And they all condemned him as deserving death. 65: And some began to spit on him, and to cover his face, and to strike him, saying to him, "Prophesy!" And the guards received him with blows.

Smith (1999) points out how this pericope constitutes a recognition scene, a type scene from Greek drama.


"In the Gospel of Mark the recognition scene is both anticipated and delayed in just the same way as in Greek tragedy. People begin to recognise the distinctiveness of Jesus from the beginning of his ministry...The disciples, in particular, are privy to his inside teaching...and marvelous signs. Potentially, each such episode provides them with an opportunity to recognise who Jesus is, but they fail to do so, and Jesus becomes increasingly exasperated at their lack of understanding...."(p235)

An important difference, observes Smith, is that while in Greek tragedy it is the hero who accidently discovers his own identity, in Mark it is Jesus himself who initiates the recognition scene by asking the disciples who he is.

Weeden (1971) observes that in the entire Gospel prior to this moment, the disciples have no idea who Jesus is and exhibit a complete inability to understand Jesus. Suddenly they have a moment of insight, fleeting, as it becomes apparent that the disciples and Jesus have a totally different idea of what messiahship might mean. Weeden also notes that until this moment there has been no clue that the Messiah is supposed to suffer and die. Mark 3:6 warns of the plot against Jesus only. It contains nothing about his messianic role.

The presence of literary structures, redactive elements, and supernatural prophecy, all indicate that there is no support for historicity from this pericope.


Mark 8:34-38
34: And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35: For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it.  36: For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? 37: For what can a man give in return for his life? 38: For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of man also be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels." 


NOTES
34: And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

v34: this is the first mention of the "Cross" in the Gospel.

v34: Epictetus the Cynic philosopher (~50-125. quoted in the second century): "If you want to be crucified, just wait. The cross will come. If it seems reasonable to comply, and the circumstances are right, then it's to be carried through, and your integrity maintained." (cited in Price 2000, p160).

v34: David Seeley (1991), writing on the relationship between Cynic philosophy and Jesus' death, states:


"According to Cynic and Stoic circles of the first century CE, it is the readiness to follow a teacher in suffering or even death that qualifies one as a true philosopher. This belief is based on the following sequence of logic: 1) a true philosopher seeks what is right; 2) the worst threat one can face in this search is that of suffering and death; 3) if one can continue the search even unto death, then one's status as a true philosopher is beyond challenge. The question is: how does one arrive at a readiness to endure the worst? Such a state is not easy to achieve. The answer is: one imaginatively re-enacts the noble death of a model by hearing or reading the story of it. One thereby gains the fortitude to face death literally, if necessary. This explains the frequency with which such stories are encountered. The more often one imaginatively re-enacts the deaths of great teachers or models, the more often one proleptically enacts one's own death for the sake of philosophy, and the less daunting such a prospect becomes."


v34: Eric Thurman (2002) further elaborates on this theme of the honor of the slave sacrificed, noting the place of the gladiator in the Hellenistic world:


For Seneca, the athlete’s and the gladiator’s victorious suffering mirrors the philosopher’s moral triumph, a “reward [that] is not a garland or palm or a trumpeter...but rather virtue, steadfastness of soul, and a peace that is won for all time...” (Ep. 78:17; cf. De Prov. 4:4- 16).

For later Christian writers, such as Tertullian and Cyprian, the martyr took up, with surpassing severity, the gladiator’s sacramentum (Barton, 1994:56). Mark lacks the oath, but not, I suggest, its logic.

he adds:


Playing the slave to Jesus, the master (13:33-37), the ideal disciple publishes his good news to “all the nations” (13:10) and stands as a witness to hostile governors and kings (13:9; 8:35). Like the gladiator, this disciple exhibits his or her voluntarism (“if any wish”) through an act of self-renunciation (indeed self-destruction, apolesei, 8:35), one that commits him to endure hatred, persecution, betrayal, beatings, and death. And the “name” by which the disciple worked miracles (9:37-41; cf. 13:6; Witherington: 739-41), now signifies the performance of a “savage miracle,” a transformation that exceeds in reach the gladiator’s own paradoxically exalted status. For where the gladiator’s fearlessness in the face of death might win him the philosopher’s applause as a moral exemplum, the honor of a vir fortis, the disciple regains that which neither the philosopher or the gladiator could (or would) imagine–his very life–as well as honor in the eyes of the returning Son of Man (cf. 8:38; 13:26-27).

v34:  John D. Crossan (2002) notes a tradition of noble death in Jewish literature, which later becomes atoning death.


The old man Eleazar appears in 2 Mac 6:18-31 and 4 Mac 5:4- 7:23. In the former story, his death is justified in the Socratic tradition of the noble death (2 Mac 6:19, 23, 28):


But he, welcoming death with honor rather than life with pollution, went up to the rack of his own accord, spitting out the flesh.... But making a high resolve, worthy of his years and the dignity of his old age and the gray hairs that he had reached with distinction and his excellent life even from
childhood, and moreover according to the holy God-given law, he declared himself quickly, telling them to send him to Hades.... and leave to the young a noble example of how to die a good death willingly and nobly for the revered and holy laws.

But the interpretation of his martyrdom in the latter text is very different,
the model is not so much the noble death of Socrates as the vicarious
atonement of the Suffering Servant (4 Mac 6:28-29):


Be merciful to your people, and let our punishment suffice for them. Make my blood their purification, and take my life in exchange for theirs.


v34: Jesus' injunction to deny oneself recalls the demand in Lev 16:29 to deny oneself on the Day of Atonement (Fletcher-Louis 1997).

v34: Dewey (2004b) points out the chiasm here:


A If any want to follow after me,
B
let them renounce themselves 
B'
and take up their cross
A'
and follow me.


v34: Funk et al (1997) explain that the Jesus Seminar rejected this as an authentic saying of Jesus because it shows a later Christian understanding of the cross, and may reflect a later period when the community was threatened by persecution.

35: For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it.

v35: the text tradition is unstable here; some manuscripts omit "my sake," though Matt and Luke both have it. However, neither has "the gospel" (Donahue and Harrington 2002, p263).

v35-37: Similar sentiments were commonplace in the ancient world. Epictetus again: "Socrates cannot be preserved by an act that is shameful...It is dying that preserves him, not fleeing." (cited in Price 2000, p160).

38: For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of man also be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

v38: Segal (1991) speaks for many when he argues that the apocalyptic image of the Son of Man "could not have been invented as a pious wish by the later Church, for they talk about an apocalyptic end which never happened, and they rely on the imagery of an apocalyptic past" (p210). Once again we encounter the same back projection of the Church into earlier history. Mark was not written by the Church but by the author of Mark. The second reason is utterly illogical, as references to the OT are common in Mark and the phrase "Son of Man" is found not only there, but also in other Jewish writings.

v38: may also echo Deut 32:5:


They have acted corruptly toward him; to their shame they are no longer his children, but a warped and crooked generation. (NIV)

Historical Commentary

I have constructed a chiasm for this pericope:


A
And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi; and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?"

B
And they told him, "John the Baptist; and others say, Eli'jah; and others one of the prophets."


C
And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?"



D
Peter answered him, "You are the Christ."




E
And he charged them to tell no one about him.





F
And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.





F
And he said this plainly.




E
And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.



D
But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter, and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not on the side of God, but of men."


C
And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it. For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? For what can a man give in return for his life? For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of man also be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

B
And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."
A
And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John, and led them up a high mountain apart by themselves; and he was transfigured before them,

Note that it contains Mark 9:1-2. Mark is wrongly pericoped; let the discussion over 9:1 end here. The B bracket here is especially interesting. If you read Mark 9:1 against its opposite, you get another take on the identity of the "some" standing there who will not taste of death. The center is classic Markan style, where a pithy comment recapitulates or remarks on a prolix one. The long speech in the C bracket is itself a chiasm, as is so often the case in the sayings of Jesus in the Gospel of Mark:


A
"If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

B
A
For whoever would save his life will lose it;


B
and whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it.

B
A
For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?


B
For what can a man give in return for his life?
A
For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of man also be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

Note too that each of the sayings is a chiasm as well, a brilliant work of art. I've already noted Dewey's comments above on the verse in the opening bracket.


For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it.

For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? For what can a man give in return for his life?

For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of man also be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."


This pericope is filled with supernatural prophecy and Hellenistic/Cycnic philosophical concepts. There is nothing in it that supports historicity.


Excursus: What is the Historical Yield of the Gospel of Mark?

In my opinion that short answer is: precious little. The events of Jesus' life in Mark are most likely drawn from the Old Testament, Jewish writings, popular philosophies of the Roman empire, and similar sources. Here is a quick assessment of the historical events in the life of Jesus, with links to the longer explanations. The judgments are entirely my own based on the information and assessments in the Commentary above; as with all NT historical judgments, take with large grain of NaCl.

Historical Assessment of the Life of Jesus in the Gospel of Mark
Item
Assessment
Discussion
Jesus
from Paul or tradition

....Named Jesus
Joshua as successor of Moses?
Mk 1:1-8
from Nazareth.... Interpolation
Mk 1:9
....in Galilee creation off OT and other Jewish texts
Mk 1:14
baptized by John the Baptist
Link is Markan invention
Mk 1:9-11
cast out demons Jewish literature of demons and angels
Mk 1:23
healed by touch OT precedents
Mk 1:40
Called disciples
OT precedents
Mk 1:16-20
Peter, James, John....
Paul
Mk 1:16-20
..Andrew
unknown
Mk 1:16-20
met Peter's mother in law Paul in 1 Corinthians
Mk 1:29-39
Disciples from Galilee
possibly relates to denigration of disciples
Mk 1:16-20
healed at a distance OT precedents
Mk 7:24-30
preached kingdom
inherent in evolution of idea of God's rule in Jewish writings
Mk 1:14-20
told sayings
OT (Ezekiel)
Mk 4:1-20
told parables
OT (Ezekiel) Mk 4:1-20
ate with sinners
Paul in Galatians
Mk 2:13-17
family and family names
Various OT sources and Paul
Mk 6:1-6
rejected by family Cynic idea, maybe Adoptionist Christology
Mk 3:31-35
rejected by hometowners
Cynic idea
Mk 6:1-6
appointed disciples Paul, names from Paul and invention
Mk 3:13-19
clashes over Sabbath
fictional; Jesus never violates Sabbath in Mark
Mk 3:1-6
persecuted by Pharisees
fictional; most likely from Paul
Mk 2:13-17
.....herodians fictional; allied to high priests?
Mk 3:6
.....chief priests fictional; Jesus is True High Priest, opposed to false
Mk 14:53-65
.....scribes
fiction from OT
Mk 1:22
traveled in boats...
fictional based on use of Sea of Galilee as narrative device
Mk 1:16
....on Sea of Galilee
from Isa 9:1
Mk 1:16
calmed storms
fiction from OT
Mk 4:35-41
walked on water
fiction from OT
Mk 6:45-56
fed thousands
fiction from OT
Mk 6:30-44
disciples were clods
writer's own fictional theme
Mk 4:1-20
raised the dead
fiction from OT
Mk 5:21-43
established food rules
anachronism inserted by writer
Mk 7:1-23
taught in gentile territory
fiction based perhaps on Paul or OT
Mk 7:24-30
predicted own death
writer's plot need
This Excursus
transfigured
fiction, supernatural, based on OT
Mk 9:1-13
taught that faith creates miracles
from Paul
Mk 11:20-25
taught about divorce
from Paul
Mk 10:1-12
entered Jerusalem
fiction based on OT
Mk 11:1-11
cursed fig tree
fiction based on OT
Mk 11:12-14
cleansed Temple
fiction based on OT
Mk 11:15-19
left teaching on taxes
from Paul
Mk 12:13-17
left commandment on love
from Paul
Mk 12:28-34
commented on widow's donation
fiction based on OT
Mk 12:35-44
made prediction of Temple's doom
anachronistic fiction based on OT
Mk 13:1-31
predicted persecution of followers anachronistic fiction based on Paul

was annointed
fiction based on OT
Mk 14:1-11
betrayed by Judas
writer's own theme based on OT
Mk 14:10
gave Last Supper
from Paul
Mk 14:12-25
agonized in Garden of Gethsemane
fictional based on OT
Mk 14:32-42
arrested in Garden of Gethsemane
fiction based on OT
Mk 14:43-52
disciples flee at arrest
fiction based on OT
Mk 14:27
tried before Sanhedrin
fiction, OT, showing Jesus as True High Priest tried by Priests
Mk 14:53-65
denied by Peter
writer's own theme
Mk 14:66-72
tried before Pilate
fiction, showing Jesus as True King
Mk 15:42-47
almost traded for Barabbas
fiction, based on extrachristian sources
Mk 15:1-15
cross carried by Simon of Cyrene
unknown, many possibilities
Mk 15:21
crucified with two thieves
fiction, writer's denigration of disciples, or based on Josephus?
Mk 15:27
crucified....
taken from Paul

....at Passover....
taken from Paul (1 Cor 5:7)

.... under Pilate forty years from date of Temple's Destruction in 70 AD?

watched ....
OT
Mk 15:40-41
...by three named women
unknown; invention or tradition

mocked
OT
Mk 15:21-32
body released by Pilate
fictional within larger context of Joseph of Arimathea story
Mk 15:43
buried by Joseph of Arimathea fictional invention
Mk 15:43
Empty Tomb
fictional invention
Mk 16:1-8


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